In this episode, we sit down with Lenie Gallardo—the powerhouse mom and climber behind the vibrant Gallardo girls, Hunter and Phoenix. Lenie shares how she weaves motherhood into her climbing journey, her approach to bouldering, and how she’s found her own style of climbing. From problem-solving to leading by example, Lenie embodies quiet strength. She has greatly inspired me, and I’m so excited to share her story with you.

This episode is an off-grid episode! I'd like to give a special thanks to MidNite Solar who kindly provided this Little Rosie inverter and Expion battery to power my recording setup.

Host: Jacalyn Gross @jacalyngross

Guest: Amanda Bullat @LenieBird

Producer: Jeremy Canaria @jeremycanary

Editor: Jacalyn Gross

Original Music by: Pete Alba