Dr. Joanne Jung and Dr. Richard Langer wrote "The Call to Follow: Hearing Jesus in a Culture Obsessed with Leadership" and we interviewed them in the fall of 2022.   How often have you thought about or been trained in how to be a better follower? We hear so much about leadership and its importance but almost nothing about being a better follower.   Of course, as Christians, we know our main identity is marked by "followership" and we seek to follow Jesus. Some of the topics discussed in this fascinating episode:   -Followers are not failed leaders, as culture tends to think -The best followers thrive under mission-centered organizations instead of leader-centered environments -Jesus Himself repeatedly chose to live as a follower. -How the Holy Spirit enables us to be good followers and live with an awareness of God's presence in our work, making the most mundane tasks, divine. -The soul rhythms that help us become good, virtuous followers.   Resources mentioned: The Call To Follow The Practice of the Presence of God by Brother Lawrence