In this episode of Wisdom Chat, host Phill Holdsworth converses with Susan Scarre, a mindful coach specialising in mindfulness-based cognitive behavioral therapy (CBT) for both adults and children. Susan shares her professional journey from teaching primary school and social media marketing to discovering and practicing mindfulness. She explains the essence of mindfulness-based CBT, highlighting its focus on not engaging with negative thoughts and instead concentrating on the present moment. Susan also touches upon the importance of not judging oneself or others, a skill that mindfulness aims to cultivate. Together, Phill and Susan discuss the societal pressures and personal struggles that lead individuals to adopt different personas, often due to low self-esteem and the desire to be liked.