In this conversation, Allen and Pablo discuss the concept of The Real versus The Artificial. Allen shares his personal journey of transformation and how he came to write his book, 'Risk the Real.'

They explore these important questions: What is Real? What is the origin of Reality? What is Artificial? What are the consequences of choosing one versus the other? How do we Risk the Real?

Allen Arnold discusses the importance of risking towards the real and choosing God as our true North. He emphasizes that risk is normal and necessary in life and that we should risk boldly with God.

Allen also highlights the need to recognize and let go of counterfeit sources of life, including technology. He shares his personal journey of healing and restoration in Jesus and encourages listeners to be all in for God.

The conversation explores the power of living a life fully dependent on God and embracing the real over the artificial.