In the second part of their conversation, Jay Heck and Pablo discuss the journey of raising sons to become real men.

They emphasize the importance of becoming true sons of God ourselves first before we can raise our own sons.

They explore journey of exposing our sons to healthy and strong masculine figures and how to guide them through stages of the masculine journey, starting with the beloved son stage and progressing through the adventurer, warrior, lover poet, king, sage—all in preparation for reigning with Jesus, as Paradise kings.

In the conversation, they emphasize the importance of fathering and creating a safe environment for sons to grow and explore their potential, the need for fathers to take their own journey, seeking healing and restoration, as we can not take our sons where we have not been ourselves.