In this episode, we’re joined by Theo, the creator and host of Disordered: Responding to Catholic Teachings on Gender and Sexuality. Their podcast takes on the harmful narratives that many conservative Catholic voices promote about LGBTQ people—arguments that are often cloaked in the language of love and pastoral care, but ultimately rely on shame, fear, and pseudoscience. Episode by episode (there are 5), Theo dismantles these claims with clarity, lived experience, and a deep understanding of the Church’s own teachings.

Check out their podcast (only on Spotify): https://open.spotify.com/show/5KGCDh8YLjn7J8Ur11iaWp

Together, we talk about the joy and solidarity that comes from sharing space with other queer Catholics, and the power of speaking truthfully about what we’ve survived. We reflect on how familiar rhetoric from figures like Jason Evert and Fr. Mike Schmitz shaped our understandings of ourselves—and how Theo’s work helps expose the holes in those narratives. If you’ve ever been told that queerness is a wound to be healed, this conversation is for you. And after listening, we highly encourage you to check out Theo’s podcast, Disordered, available now on Spotify.

Content warning: This episode includes discussions of transphobia, conversion therapy, religious trauma, and Side B theology.