In this crossover episode, join hosts Tym House and Anny Stevens Gleason from our new podcast, The Priesthood of All Queer Believers as they welcome their first guest, The Reverend Philip Hart DeVaul. They discuss the intersection of queer identity and faith, addressing common misconceptions about 'pride as sin' and the hypocrisy within certain Christian traditions. Reverend DeVaul shares his personal story of his father's coming out and its impact on his faith. The conversation also covers the transformative power of embracing queer identity within religious spaces, the normalization of queer presence, and the importance of inclusive and affirming practices. This episode emphasizes the potential for growth and deeper understanding within the church through the inclusion and celebration of queer believers.