Is the church evolving… or just slowly fading out? In this episode, Nate and Pastor Joseph unpack the subtle (and not-so-subtle) ways secularism is reshaping the American church—from cultural Christianity and cringey compromises to the real reasons people are walking away. With their usual balance of sarcasm, insight, and honesty, the duo dives into what happens when tradition clashes with a society moving further from faith. Whether you’re deconstructing, reconstructing, or just spectating, this convo will make you think (and probably laugh). Is secularism the villain… or the mirror? 🎧 Available on SoundCloud, Spotify, Apple Podcasts, and wherever you like your theology with a side of sass. 📢 Don’t forget to: 🔔 Follow us here on SoundCloud 👍 Like the episode if you vibed with it 📤 Share it with someone who thinks “organized religion” is an oxymoron 🎥 Watch the video version: https://youtu.be/d6zdQEKEj5U 🌐 Visit: https://wheniheardthispodcast.com/link-in-bio/ 📱 Follow us on Locals & X: @wheniheardthis 📷 Instagram & Facebook: @wheniheardthispodcast #secularism #churchculture #americanchurch #faithandculture #deconstruction #wheniheardthis