These conversations are hard. I've listened back to this one a number of times and the only thing I can keep thinking is "nuance."

These discussions are nuanced, these topics are nuanced, life is nuanced.

On the one hand I feel like this is all we can do, have an open conversation with someone, hear their thoughts, ask questions, and try to understand different perspectives better.

On the other hand I feel like I should have pushed back much harder. Some of the words used weren't OK and I should have addressed that more, not to be combative but to try to get to a better place.

You guys will be the judge on this one. I do thank Tony for being on, sharing his thoughts, and being open to discussing and challenging them.

A more complete bio from Tony is below:

I am like all broken people who come from broken families. I am everyone who longs for family that never was given the chance to be. I am the example of why healthy families are the key to most problems, and the guide to bring young people back to the family. I am the harbinger for those who are actively trying to destroy the family, and the light for those trying to find their way to fight for what is normal. I'm just a regular guy, who see what's wrong, and wrote it down. Link to book is here