This week, we have someone involved in both one of the biggest names in rugby as well as one of the smallest.

Gert Mulder is with the Blue Bulls organisation in South Africa, which includes URC side Vodacom Bulls, whilst also being the head coach of Pakistan.

Rugby in Pakistan is extremely small despite the massive population, due in large part to the popularity of cricket.

We speak all about his role and career and how Pakistan can develop the sport's popularity.

Thank you for listening.

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