In this insightful episode, we dive deep into the evolving world of Technical and Vocational Education and Training (TVET) with two leading experts, Dr. Zainal Azhar (Dr. Nana) and Fiona Morris. Together, they share their journeys into the field of TVET, discussing its progress and impact over the past decade. From powerful personal stories of lives transformed by TVET to groundbreaking initiatives like the TVET Digital Revolution and EPIC pedagogical models, this conversation unpacks what it takes to drive meaningful educational reform. Dr. Zainal Azhar, better known as Dr. Nana, is the Director of the Digital Education and Instructional Division (BIPD) in Malaysia. He is responsible for strategizing and ensuring that institutions such as Polytechnics, Community Colleges, and TVET centers are well-prepared for the digital age, providing them with the necessary e-learning content, training, and resources. In addition to his work in education, Dr. Nana is a published author of two fictional novels, The Land of a Thousand Bridges and Becoming Designers, further showcasing his creative and multifaceted contributions to society. Fiona Morris serves as the Counsellor for Education and Research at the Australian High Commission in Malaysia. With a distinguished career spanning government and education sectors, Fiona focuses on strengthening Australia’s bilateral education, training, and research ties with Malaysia. She has previously held key roles in Mexico City and Los Angeles and has contributed to higher education at the University of Sydney, where she worked as the General Manager of the Faculty of Pharmacy. Her wealth of international experience positions her as a key player in fostering global education partnerships. We also explore the dynamic educational relationship between Malaysia and Australia, dissect the challenges of making TVET a more attractive career path, and examine the asymmetries holding back the full potential of TVET in Malaysia. As the world faces rapid advancements in AI and automation, our guests discuss how TVET can stay ahead of the curve by equipping students with essential future-ready skills. Finally, Dr. Nana and Fiona reflect on how TVET can shake off its perception as a "last alternative" and share their excitement about the bright future of TVET both in Malaysia and globally. Join us as we uncover how TVET is not just a pathway to a career, but a powerful force for personal and societal change.