Amy chats with Hang Xu, a former UX designer and the founder of Collective Supply, an independent design talent firm, about assessing organizational design/UX maturity during job interviews, and whether or not it matters.  We cover: Hang's backstory, how he got into talent management, and his excellent satirical LinkedIn content The state of design & tech hiring today The philosophical, historical, cultural, and practical onion of design maturity and its impact on the satisfaction of UX pros How to find a decent job and workplace wellbeing based on our personal definitions of design maturity, and our career and life priorities Looking for mature teams in times of job scarcity—can we be selective? Balancing the desire for impact and quality with the realities of organizational constraints and our individual capacity And some existential questions like Does true design maturity even exist?, How much should we care?, and Can UX be just a job? Links Hang's Design Maturity Repo Episode transcript   Got a hiring topic request? Reach out to Amy on LinkedIn and we can cover it in a future episode. If you're so inclined, we'd love your help in spreading the word about our show with a rating and review on your favorite podcast app. And if you're feeling extra generous, we would appreciate a financial contribution to support our work!