In this episode, hosts Paula D. Atkinson and Lisa Kays dive into various topics including their recent TV show binges and the representation of fat characters in media. They also discuss the importance of play in healing trauma and share personal experiences around rediscovering creativity in adulthood, like taking up painting and violin lessons. The main segment focuses on understanding when therapy feels stuck and what to consider if you feel it's time to see your therapist less or leave altogether. They offer insights on recognizing the need for change, respecting one's own intuition, and understanding the dynamics of the doctor-patient relationship. The episode concludes with reflections on the necessity and value of letting relationships and activities die when they've served their purpose.