This week James talks to the award-winning journalist and bestselling author Naomi Klein.

Naomi has spent two decades documenting the transformations that take place under the cover of disaster. She has also written extensively about how tackling the climate crisis can both create jobs and make the economy much fairer and more equitable.

James and Naomi started their conversation by talking about how the Covid-19 pandemic is remaking what governments and corporations see as possible. Naomi has talked a lot about how this change has mainly been for the worst — but, as you will hear, this does not need be the case in the future.

This is a hopeful conversation about how we can use this moment to tackle the climate crisis, create thousands of new jobs, address inequality, and make life better for everyone.

On Fire: The Burning Case for a Green New Deal

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