Mandy Patinkin and Kathryn Grody join us for a heartfelt, soulful, and delightfully chaotic conversation about:  - How to make a marriage last;  - The importance of quiet; and - how we can hold tight to our own humanity while demanding a more humanitarian world.  This conversation is an urgent reminder of how we can all use our voices to make the world more beautiful. Join us now.  About Mandy: Mandy Patinkin is a Tony Award–winning actor, singer, and storyteller whose career spans four decades across stage, film, and television. He’s known for unforgettable roles in Evita, Sunday in the Park with George, The Princess Bride, Homeland, and Criminal Minds. He has toured the world with his solo concerts and collaborations with icons like Patti LuPone and Nathan Gunn. Since 2020, Mandy and his wife, fellow performing artist Kathryn Grody, have offered a delightfully unvarnished glimpse into 45 years of marriage online—sparking live shows with their son Gideon and a new Lemonada Media podcast, Don’t Listen to Us.  About Kathryn:  Kathryn Grody is an Obie Award–winning actor and writer whose work spans theater, film, and television. She won Obies for Top Girls and The Marriage of Bette and Boo, earned a Drama Desk nomination for her one-woman play A Mom’s Life. She has long been active in advocacy with groups including the International Rescue Committee and Downtown Women for Change. This fall, she premieres her new one-woman show, A Radical, Rollicking Rumination on the Optimism of Staying Alive, exploring the transition into elderhood at 78 years young.  On their new podcast, “Don’t Listen to Us,” Mandy and Kathryn are giving you unqualified advice on everything including love, life, dolphins, work, art, bewilderments, relationships, pasta, aging, embarrassments, triumphs, ponderings on how to get through this crazy world. No question too small, no dilemma too big, no story too strange, no musing too trivial! All are welcome.  00:00:00 Introduction 00:03:41 Welcome Mandy Patinkin and Kathryn Grody 00:05:37 Mandy playfully promotes Kathryn’s new show 00:09:31 The surprising reaction from young people 00:10:48 Mandy Patinkin’s dog, Becky 00:13:26 Mandy on how he feels about getting old 00:15:40 What Kathryn does after Mandy goes to bed 00:16:46 Mandy and Kathryn debate a recurring “issue” in their marriage 00:20:06 The first time Kathryn saw Mandy 00:27:10 Mandy and Kathryn share their repetitive marital issues 00:31:39 A hysteria about losing time 00:34:03 How a pause in the conversation can leave space for others to join 00:38:45 Glennon shares her appreciation for Abby’s gift of conversation 00:45:30 The gift of having a more talkative partner 00:50:35 Kathryn on how we need to be more generous in sharing resources 00:52:48 Holding on and trying to make the impermanent parts of life stand still 00:55:54 Why a wishing well is meaningful to Mandy Patinkin 01;02:50 How Mandy’s and Kathryn’s Judaism forms them today 01:08:36 Mandy Patinkin’s powerful thoughts on the Middle East 01:12:40 Why women should run the world 01:15:28 Mandy Patinkin’s plea to younger / older listeners 01:19:31 Mandy does not want to meet Glennon, Abby, and Amanda Follow We Can Do Hard Things on: Youtube — @wecandohardthingsshow   Instagram — @wecandohardthingsTikTok — @wecandohardthingshow

Join us for the hilarious, unfiltered, and vulnerable story of the time Glennon tried therapeutic psychedelics. At last, Glennon reveals to the Pod Squad:  The mishap that turned a “micro-dose” macro;  What Glennon encountered on her guided psychedelic journey; and How Sinéad O’Connor, a basement vision, and the magic words “I don’t know” helped Glennon heal.  Disclaimer: We are sharing lived experience, not medical advice.  00:00:00 Welcome to WCDHT 00:04:30 Glennon sets the stage for her treatment with therapeutic psychedelics 00:05:45 Psychedelics & rigid thinkers 00:09:50 Glennon’s journey prep 00:14:58 Glennon’s micro-dosing trial run 00:18:46 Glennon realized she macro-dosed 00:27:01 Abby gets involved to help 00:35:49 The journey day 00:42:00 Glennon wants to ask “Why am I so scared?” 00:50:30 Glennon shares the visions she had 00:56:21 Abby on how Glennon came down from her journey 00:58:57 After the journey and how Glennon felt 00:59:31 Sinéad O’Connor appeared 01:00:38 Glennon’s next phase and how it helped her heal Follow We Can Do Hard Things on: Youtube — @wecandohardthingsshow   Instagram — @wecandohardthings TikTok — @wecandohardthingshow

We all have something inside us that knows exactly what we want.  Katie Gavin joins us to talk about:  How to identify that kernel of desire inside—and then have the courage to follow it;  Why love addiction can feel like being stuck on a “treadmill in the cosmos”; and the moment Katie called Glennon a Femme/Dom—and how it changed Glennon’s life forever.  Katie Gavin’s album: What A Relief About Katie:  Katie Gavin is a musician and member of the pop band MUNA, and released her debut solo album What A Relief this past October 2024—an album about a deep desire for connection and the obstacles standing in the way of achieving that. Gavin’s explorations of desire and intimacy feel time-worn and necessary – songs that might teach a generation if not how to live, exactly, then at least how to look within oneself for guidance about how to move forward. Katie is currently in the studio with MUNA working on their forthcoming album. Follow We Can Do Hard Things on: Youtube — @wecandohardthingsshow   Instagram — @wecandohardthings TikTok — @wecandohardthingshow

Glennon shares the new way she’s making peace with her body—not through individual “wellness,” but through community care and collective action. Together, we explore why it’s more important than ever that we show up—even if we’re scared or heartbroken—because the world needs our broken hearts. And we unearth a small miracle: by listening to our bodies, we can participate in life without abandoning ourselves.  Join us now.  Follow We Can Do Hard Things on: Youtube — @wecandohardthingsshow   Instagram — @wecandohardthings TikTok — @wecandohardthingshow

Music icons, queer trailblazers, and our heroes—Indigo Girls and Melissa Etheridge—share the wisdom, humor, and heart that have carried them through decades of music and community. We talk about faith, the power of music to heal and connect, their advice for queer kids, and the lessons they’re learning from young activists. About Indigo Girls:  Across four decades, 16 studio albums, and over 15 million records sold, the Grammy-winning Indigo Girls – Emily Saliers and Amy Ray – continue to blaze the trail for generations of Queer artists in the mainstream.  Committed and uncompromising activists, Saliers and Ray work on issues like racial justice and reproductive rights, immigration reform, LGBTQ advocacy, education, death penalty reform, and Native American rights. Indigo Girls was the first of six consecutive Gold and/or Platinum-certified albums.Their latest record, Look Long, is a stirring and eclectic collection of songs that finds the duo reunited in the studio with their strongest backing band to date.  About Melissa:  Melissa Etheridge stormed onto the American rock scene in 1988 with the release of her critically acclaimed self-titled debut album. Etheridge hit her commercial and artistic stride with her fourth album, Yes I Am. The collection featured the massive hits, "I'm the Only One" and "Come to My Window," a searing song of longing that brought Etheridge her second Grammy Award for Best Female Rock Performance.  Known for her confessional lyrics and raspy, smoky vocals, Etheridge has remained one of America’s favorite female singers for more than two decades.  In June of 2020, Etheridge launched The Etheridge Foundation to support groundbreaking scientific research into effective new treatments for opioid use disorder.  Follow We Can Do Hard Things on: Youtube — @wecandohardthingsshow   Instagram — @wecandohardthings TikTok — @wecandohardthingshow

Glennon, Abby, and Amanda share the bittersweet moment they dropped Tish off at college—and how they’re navigating the lucky grief of parenting older kids. If you, too, are in the middle of this landslide—learning how to hold on and let go as your kids grow up—this conversation is for you.  Follow We Can Do Hard Things on: Youtube — @wecandohardthingsshow Instagram — @wecandohardthings TikTok — @wecandohardthingshow

Natasha Rothwell is here today to teach us not only how to survive this time, but how to absolutely stay alive—and hold onto our wild, precious humanity—during this time.  During this magical hour, we discuss: - The paradox of being an introvert who loves people; - How Natasha finds God in theater, laughter, and even pain; - How understanding her neurodivergence set Natasha free; and - How we can resist fascism by leaning into delight, sexuality, creativity, and nature. This conversation will wake you up. Don’t miss it.  About Natasha: Natasha Rothwell is the creator, executive producer, and star of the critically acclaimed Hulu series How to Die Alone, which is currently streaming. She recently earned her second Emmy nomination for her standout performance as Belinda Lindsey in Season 3 of HBO’s The White Lotus, reprising the role that first made her a fan favorite in Season 1. Natasha is also known for work on HBO’s Insecure. In 2020, she founded her production company Big Hattie Productions to create, produce, and develop genre-bending projects that champion marginalized voices in subversive ways. For more conversations about neurodivergence, check out: 82. Hannah Gadsby: How to Communicate Better 220. Why So Many Women Don’t Know They are Autistic with Katherine May 294. What ADHD Feels Like with Jaklin Levine-Pritzker Follow We Can Do Hard Things on: Youtube — @wecandohardthingsshow   Instagram — @wecandohardthings TikTok — @wecandohardthingshow

Each of us has something we’re pretending not to know—an inner voice that whispers: We’re in trouble. Join us for a raw conversation with Jen Hatmaker on:  the cost of ignoring the trouble in her 25-year marriage; the night she heard her husband on the phone with his girlfriend; and  the freedom she found when she finally embraced the truth. About Jen: Jen Hatmaker is a bestselling author, award-winning podcaster, and fierce advocate for women living in freedom and agency. With 14 books—including four New York Times bestsellers—she reaches millions with her signature mix of humor, vulnerability, and wisdom. Her newest book, AWAKE: A Memoir, is out now, and chronicles her raw, real-time journey through the shocking end of her 26-year marriage and surprising reinvention. She lives in a creaky old farmhouse, loves 90s country, and drinks Almond Joy creamer like it’s a personality trait. Follow We Can Do Hard Things on: Youtube — @wecandohardthingsshow   Instagram — @wecandohardthings TikTok — @wecandohardthingshow

You’ve been asking for 4 years, and the day is finally here! You can now WATCH all We Can Do Hard Things conversations on YouTube!!!   Click over to the We Can Do Hard Things Show YouTube channel and subscribe here now:  https://www.youtube.com/@WeCanDoHardThingsShow After you subscribe, click the bell button so you don’t miss new video episodes (every Tuesday and Thursday)! In this FIRST EVER VIDEO EPISODE OF WE CAN DO HARD THINGS—Glennon, Abby and Amanda get extra honest about how they’re holding on to joy, rage, and hope during this American moment. They discuss their breakdowns and breakthroughs, their nationwide tour, and they share their vision of the Freedom Fleet— a united movement that not only organizes and strategizes—but dances and laughs and loves its way toward freedom.  Subscribe to the Show on YouTube:  @wecandohardthingsshow   And follow the show on Instagram — @wecandohardthings & TikTok — @wecandohardthingshow

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443. Liz Gilbert on Loving Without Losing Yourself  Glennon and Liz Gilbert go deeper into Liz’s relationship with Rayya, into the tender, messy, miraculous place where caring for someone else pushes hard against caring for yourself. They talk about the quiet traps of codependency, the heartbreak of giving away your power, and the transformative freedom that comes when you turn to a higher voice for guidance. Listen to the first part of our conversation here. About Elizabeth: Elizabeth Gilbert is the author of nine previous works of fiction and nonfiction, which collectively have sold more than 25 million copies worldwide, spent more than 250 weeks on the New York Times bestseller list, and been translated into more than fifty languages.  She has been a finalist for the National Book Award, the National Book Critics Circle Award, and the PEN/Hemingway Award. With more than 20 million views of her TED Talk and 2.7 million followers on her social media accounts, she continues to be one of the most beloved and influential writers of our age.. Her new memoir: ALL THE WAY TO THE RIVER: Love, Loss, and Liberation is available now.

442. Elizabeth Gilbert on Losing the Love of Her Life  Elizabeth Gilbert comes to Glennon’s home to talk about her love with Rayya Elias—the joy, the devastation, and the truth-telling that came after. Liz opens up about the brutal reality of addiction—Rayya’s drug addiction and her own love addiction—and how their secret lives collided. This is a conversation about intimacy, betrayal, codependency, survival, and recovery. And it’s about how even the hardest truths, once spoken, can set us free. About Elizabeth: Elizabeth Gilbert is the author of nine previous works of fiction and nonfiction, which collectively have sold more than 25 million copies worldwide, spent more than 250 weeks on the New York Times bestseller list, and been translated into more than fifty languages.  She has been a finalist for the National Book Award, the National Book Critics Circle Award, and the PEN/Hemingway Award. With more than 20 million views of her TED Talk and 2.7 million followers on her social media accounts, she continues to be one of the most beloved and influential writers of our age.. Her new memoir: ALL THE WAY TO THE RIVER: Love, Loss, and Liberation is available now.

Enjoy the FIRST EPISODE of Abby's new women's sports podcast co-hosted by Julie Foudy and Billie Jean King... WELCOME TO THE PARTY! In this first episode, track and field legend ALLYSON FELIX joins Abby, Julie, and Billie to get real about the Nike showdown that reset maternity protections, the women-first power plays behind Saysh and Always Alpha, and what’s next for track & field. Plus GOATs Ask the GOAT—Mia Hamm, Coco Gauff, and Mikaela Shiffrin pop in with surprise questions for “The Kinger” Subscribe to WELCOME TO THE PARTY on your podcast app and WATCH VIDEO EPISODES on YouTube! Follow @welcometothepartyshow on: YouTube — https://www.youtube.com/@WelcomeToThePartyShow Instagram — https://www.instagram.com/welcometothepartyshow/ TikTok — https://www.tiktok.com/@welcometothepartyshow Go Deeper Saysh — Allyson’s women-first shoe brand: https://saysh.com/ Always Alpha — Allyson’s management company for women athletes and coaches: https://always-alpha.com/ She Runs the World — Allyson’s documentary (Tribeca): https://tribecafilm.com/films/she-runs-the-world-2025 The Next Day — by Melinda French Gates: https://www.melindafrenchgates.com/ Abby post-game interview vs. Japan: https://youtu.be/kwAMN1-1p_c?si=MZDQ0KkoamVOS6YR Julie’s Party Starter summer highlight: Marta’s two goals in Copa América Femenina — https://youtu.be/tiUWtL0vYVc?si=9Bt9FebPKDeEXwoX Billie’s Party Starter summer highlight: Mboko wins the Canadian Open - https://www.wtatennis.com/videos/4336505/champions-reel-how-victoria-mboko-won-montreal-2025 Abby’s Party Starter summer highlight: Katie’s 7th consecutive 800m freestyle gold — https://youtu.be/N1_h787R0_Q?si=SDGkKurSytqWtYiq

Who do we go to for advice? And do we really even WANT advice — or just a good listener? Glennon, Abby, and Amanda tell us who they each go to when they don’t know what to do next — and offer their best advice to Pod Squaders dealing with loneliness and the unexpected jealousy of their partner's affection for a pet.

441. WELCOME TO THE PARTY! Abby’s Big Secret Reveal with Julie Foudy! Attention Party People! Abby has BIG news—she’s launching Welcome to the Party, a video-first women’s sports podcast with legends Julie Foudy & Billie Jean King!!!! The very first episode of Welcome to the Party drops September 4th. Go follow & subscribe NOW so you don’t miss it. Today, you’re going to hear all about how this party started.  Abby and Julie share the full origin story of Welcome to the Party. From a car ride to an Angel City FC game, to Abby realizing Julie Foudy was the only person she wanted to step back into sports with, to teaming up with the legendary Billie Jean King. Together, they’re building an exciting new sports community where everyone belongs, bringing fans highlights, epic sports stories, and live watch parties—while disrupting the old sports media model to build an athlete-owned, fan-powered network. Join the Party! Follow @welcometothepartyshow on:  YouTube Instagram  TikTok About Julie:  Julie Foudy had a sensational 17-year career with the US Women’s National Soccer Team, serving as captain for 13 of those years. She represented Team USA in four Women’s World Cups and three Olympic Games, winning two World Cup titles, two Olympic Gold Medals (1996 and 2004), and an Olympic Silver Medal (2000). Following her decorated playing career, Julie became a prominent television analyst and reporter for TNT Sports, NBC Olympics, and ESPN/ABC, as well as the host of the beloved ESPN podcast Laughter Permitted with Julie Foudy.  In September 2025, she will launch Welcome to the Party, a video-first women’s sports podcast co-hosted with Abby Wambach and Billie Jean King.

440. Becoming Full of Yourself | Austin Channing Brown  Author, speaker, and racial justice leader Austin Channing Brown joins us to share why centering the lives and voices of Black women isn’t just powerful—it’s transformative for everyone. In this conversation about truth-telling, liberation, and reimagining the future, we discuss: -The cost of cultural “belonging” and the radical freedom in refusing it;-Why the difference between justice and fairness matters more than we think;-How embodiment becomes a necessary act of resistance to white supremacy; and-The profound insider knowledge Black women carry that the world desperately needs. Austin Channing Brown is an author and speaker providing inspired leadership on racial justice in America. She is the New York Times bestselling author of I’m Still Here: Black Dignity in a World Made for Whiteness, a Reese’s Book Club pick. Her writing and work have been featured by outlets such as On Being, Chicago Tribune, Shondaland, and WNYC. Her latest book, Full of Myself: Black Womanhood and the Journey to Self-Possession, is available now.

368. The Closure Myth: How Do We Really Move On?  Abby, Glennon and Amanda delve into your voicemails and discuss matters of the broken heart, closure, self-sabotage, moving toward or away from family, and more.  Discover:  Glennon’s “magical pessimism”  Why creative people do not seek out closure  The geographical solution or finding the “right” place to live

439. Get Free from Perfectionism | Live on Tour  For anyone ready to break free from perfectionism and finally choose themselves – join us today, live from our We Can Do Hard Thing tour. Glennon, Abby, and Amanda talk about why we cling to perfectionism, how growth can strain relationships, and what it means to stay true to yourself. Plus, in an unforgettable moment, Abby surprises Glennon on their anniversary in front of thousands.

438. How to Protect Kids from ICE Right now in America, children are standing alone in immigration court—no lawyer, no advocate, no protection—forced to represent themselves against government attorneys from Homeland Security. Glennon joins immigration justice leaders Lillian Aponte Miranda of the Florence Project and Shaina Aber of the Acacia Center for Justice to reveal what’s happening to immigrant families—and how we can meet this moment with care and action to protect children from ICE. To donate to the entire network of legal service providers serving unaccompanied immigrant children or to find an organization near you, visit protectimmigrantkids.org.  To volunteer as a Witness for Justice: VOMO To uplift on your social media platforms: #ProtectKids Toolkit - Google Docs The Florence Project provides free legal services, social services, and advocacy to immigrants facing detention and potential deportation.  To learn more about the Florence Project's work, visit: www.firrp.org and follow them on social media: Instagram: @The_FlorenceProject  Facebook: Florence Immigrant & Refugee Rights Project The Acacia Center for Justice builds, strengthens, and expands immigrant legal defense programs for adults and children across the country. To learn more about the Acacia Center for Justice’s work, visit:  https://acaciajustice.org/  and follow them on social media:  Instagram: @acaciajustice Facebook: Acacia Center for Justice

351. How to Have *Healthy* Conflict with Amanda Ripley  Conflict expert and investigative journalist, Amanda Ripley, is back to give us a conflict resolution 101 guide and delve into some real-life examples from Abby and Glennon’s relationship.  Discover:  -The best way to diffuse a high-conflict person from going further; -The binary thinking that makes fighting with a spouse feel so painful–plus, the antidote; -How to disagree while still holding someone else’s perspective; and -Why it’s important to know your shame responses in order to have better conflicts. For the first part of our conversation, check out ⁠Episode 330 Handling Conflict Right with Amanda Ripley⁠. About Amanda:  Amanda Ripley is an investigative journalist and author. Her most recent book is ⁠High Conflict⁠, which chronicles how people get trapped by conflicts of all kinds—and how they get out. Her previous books include The Unthinkable, and The Smartest Kids in the World, a New York Times bestseller which was also turned into a documentary film. IG: ⁠@ripleywriter⁠ ⁠@thegoodconflict