Could students of postcolonial studies benefit from examining the Zionist movement as an example of both settler-colonialism & national liberation? Yehuda HaKohen is joined by Professor Derek Penslar for a conversation about the unique relationship between Ashkenazi Jews, Orientalism, anti-Semitism, Zionism, colonialism & postcolonialism. The two also discuss aspects of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict and the distinction between the Zionist movement and the ancient Jewish concept of "Shivat Tzion" (the "Return to Zion") expressed through various liberation movements throughout the centuries.