This week I have a wide-ranging conversation with Marie Rowland, Psychotherapist and Director of Talking Matters, a private therapy practice where she helps clients work through matters from relationship conflicts, managing stress and anxiety to notions of success including self-image and social relevance.   Marie and I discuss what she refers to as the “other pandemic" of stress, sadness and loneliness and how COVID both contributed to and brought that into focus. We also discuss emotional pain, part of the human condition, and how you can build your emotional immunity. Marie shares some really helpful tools with us. My favourite one is to show up because we all know this can be hard at times but if we continue to show up for ourselves, step by step we make progress towards our goals. All those small steps add up over time.   We end our conversation wth a discussion of Stoicism. If you want to learn something about the Stoics and how ancient wisdom is so relevant in the modern world, this is a great place to start.   MARIE ROWLAND   Talking Matters: https://talking-matters.com/home/   Marie's Wellbeing Magazine articles: https://www.wellbeing.com.au/author/marie-rowland   MAGIC MIND Magic Mind Website: https://www.magicmind.co/vibrant Discount code: VIBRANT20 SIGN UP TO MY MONTHLY NEWSLETTER Do you want to be better informed about some of the latest developments in health and wellbeing?  Is that a "yes"? Sign up here (scroll to bottom of the page): https://vibrantlivespodcast.com/  HOW YOU CAN SUPPORT THE PODCAST Please tell your friends about the podcast and share it with them. Follow me on Instagram @vibrant_lives_podcast Follow my Facebook page: @vibrantlivespodcast If you could rate and review the podcast on Apple Podcasts, that would be super helpful. Check out ways you can support the podcast on my website: https://vibrantlivespodcast.com/be-involved/