In episode 72, Gregg welcomes Rafe Kelly. Rafe is a movement coach, founder of Evolve, Move, Play, and frequent interlocutor with John Vervaeke. In this episode, Rafe recounts his journey from gymnastics and martial arts into parkour and finally into the Evolve, Move, Play vision. He also explains how we became interested in Jordan Peterson’s work and then moved into syncing up with John Vervaeke. Near the end of the discussion, Gregg explains how UTOK’s vision of humans as primates and persons results in deep alignment with Rafe’s observations and experiences.   ℹ️ - - - Find out more about Rafe Kelley - - - ℹ️ Evolve Move Play Homepage: https://www.evolvemoveplay.com/   ℹ️ - - - Find out more about Gregg Henriques - - - ℹ️ Psychology Today: https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/contributors/gregg-henriques-phd Medium: https://gregghenriques.medium.com/ Twitter: https://twitter.com/henriqgx   🌳 - - - The Unified Theory of Knowledge - - - 🌳 Homepage: https://www.unifiedtheoryofknowledge.org/ Medium: https://medium.com/unified-theory-of-knowledge Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tree_of_knowledge_system