Recording IN PERSON for the first time in months, Jim and Jon have a spoiler-free discussion of the recently released film Conclave. This movie, from a secular studio, seems to be asking the Church to have a conversation about ambition, faith, and certainty. What does it, and the world at large, seem to want from the Church? In what ways should the Church respond, whether it aligns with the desires of the world or not? Let us know your thoughts on the film and this discussion of it at info@jimandjon.com