This week, Carson and Jan share a favorite interview that doesn’t fit in a specific Chapter but matters to the narrative! Podcaster and author Nora McInerny has made a career out of sharing beautiful, honest stories about devastating losses, oftentimes her own. In 2017, Jan was at a crossroads and came to her with questions: Is it okay to make art about grief while you’re still *in* the grief? How bad does it hurt to tell your own story? And, when people ask about your podcast at dinner parties, do you just casually talk about your own trauma? Check out Nora’s excellent podcast Terrible Thanks for Asking, and non-profit @stillkickingco. Next week we get on-track and go off-script with CHAPTER 3: Script! Follow along at @untitleddadproject Original music composed in response to each episode is by the incredible Rat Rios Our artwork is by Kevin Craft Co. Untitled Dad Project is a Spoke Media original.