In this episode of L&D Frameworks: Applied, Joost sits down with Gabrielle Sun, an experienced instructional designer working in a global L&D team at one of the Big Four. Together, they explore how Gabrielle blends the structure of ADDIE with the flexibility of SAM to create more iterative, feedback-driven learning experiences.

Gabrielle shares how her team uses phases like Pre-Alpha, Alpha, Beta, and Gold to guide development, and how they manage stakeholder expectations while keeping the process agile. From global collaboration to piloting and evaluation, this episode is packed with practical insights for anyone designing learning at scale.

Whether you're deep into instructional design or just curious about how to make your learning programs more adaptive, this conversation will give you tools and inspiration to rethink your approach.

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