Listen in to this very personal conversation between Amena and Kay, as they discuss the critical difference between naming and name-calling.

The "Voters Dilemma" blog series by Dr. Ahmed Afzaal, mentioned in the episode, can be found here.

Amena Chaudhry can be found ⁠⁠here⁠⁠ at Zarafa Consulting, and her cultural competency assessment package can be found at https://zarafaconsulting.com/idiassessment/. To book an emergency session with Amena, click on the link to book a breakthrough strategy session.

Kay Coughlin can be found ⁠ at Facilitator On Fire, and her antiracism resources page is https://facilitatoronfire.net/antiracism/⁠⁠.

The podcast webpage, with resources from all episodes and a list of resources to support Palestine, can be found at ⁠⁠⁠⁠Unraveling-Isms.com⁠⁠⁠⁠.