During the preview of the 58th Venice art Biennial, Philippe Hindahl and Bernard Vienat interviewed the curator Charlotte Laubard, who invited Pauline Boudry and Renate Lorenz to exhibit in the Swiss Pavilion. Then we talked to Lorenzo Sandoval, one of the artists of the Finnish pavilion. We discussed their works, their views on collaboration, the national structure of the biennial, and their respective roles as curator and artist.