This episode is a little different. Firstly, this is a pre-pandemic conversation. Consider this an oral history of friends. Joy talks with friend of the show and scholar Johnathan Michael Square about being black in academia. They share triumphs, challenges, feelings, and advice to those wanting to pursue careers in academia. Talking PointsHow do you choose a college?, Deb Willis, NYU, FIT, UMBC, Where are the Black conservators? Image Credit: gentlemansgazette.com via Brooks Brothers Find Jonathan Michael Square: www.facebook.com/fashioningtheself/ Find us: Website: www.unravelpodcast.com Patreon: www.patreon.com/unravelpodcast PayPal: www.paypal.me/unravelpodcast Instagram: @unravelpodcast Twitter: @unravelpodcast Facebook: www.facebook.com/unravelpodcast/ Pinterest: Unravel: A Fashion Podcast www.pinterest.com/afashionpodcast/ Stitcher: www.stitcher.com/podcast/unravel-podcast Waller Gallery Website www.wallergallery.com/ Waller Gallery Instagram: @wallergallery Jasmine's Nicaragua Instagram: @recuerdosdenicaragua