This is something different for our podcast. One half of Unlocking Conversations is interviewing the other. In this episode Andy interviews Frances in all things leadership.

Having had an extensive career in education, consulting and coaching, Frances has always been interested in the world of leadership development. Frances spends her time working with leaders, helping them grow and develop. She sees development as opening “pandora’s box”, once it's open you can’t close it.

Frances sees leadership as being the holistic conductor of the very finest orchestra. 

Leadership is about communication, engagement and inspiration. She says, “everything matters, but you can’t know everything, so leaders need to show up with openness, honesty, and humility all of the time”.

As a leader you need to honour uniqueness (both yours and everybody around you).

Frances is very proud of her approach to HR, she says she did it the Frances way, talking to people as human beings, with dignity and support even though the situation was very tough.

She says that her purpose as a leader wasn’t about herself, it was all about enabling people to flourish and unlock potential. This is the thing that makes Frances come alive as a leader. She describes her aliveness as congruent with her way of leading “from heart and kindness” and what’s important to know that’s she’s made a difference.

France’s top tips for future leaders are :-

1. When we think that we’ve got everything done and sorted, there’s always something that comes along to undo that thought. The top tip is that Learning is never done.
2. You can lead from the front but also from the side and the back, be conscious of the leadership stance you take.
3. You have two ears, two eyes and one mouth, use them in that proportion.
4. Bring your whole self as a leader. Bring your energy, drive

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