Roman Cabanac speaks with Stephan Gerber, a parliamentary researcher for Action SA, about the intricacies of South African politics, the role of education and values in governance, and the need for strong leadership. They discuss the challenges faced by political parties, the importance of community empowerment, and the necessity of a dual approach to crime and governance. The conversation also touches on the influence of funding in politics and the potential for a more authoritative leadership style in South Africa.