We listen to some raw tape of Courtney Barnett before she pressed record for our interview. We are also joined by a true fan of her music—Paul Kondo, of The Podcast Gumbo Newsletter. Not too long ago we were "hotsauce" in that newsletter. Paul recommends three podcasts in each gumbo newsletter, with an added extra podcast mention, thrown in as hot sauce. Paul shares with us the first albums he coveted—The Last Waltz, Martin Scorsese's 1978 documentary of The Band's final performance in San Francisco featuring friends such as Neil Young, Bob Dylan and Joni Mitchell —still ranks high for him decades later; his favorite Courtney Barnett song; and how pleased he is that Under the Radar is that rare music podcast, that actually plays music.

Please head to Bandcamp to purchase music from Jen Cloher's self titled album. And for tickets and more information about Courtney Barnett's own, curated festival, touring this August, head to Here And There Festival. Thank you to Milk! Records, Mom & Pop and Grandstand Media for clearance of songs used in this episode. And for the Caroline Rose episode, head here.

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