Welcome to the Uncertain Pathfinders or UP podcast, the show where we invite listeners to "Invite Uncertainty" and "Unlock Possibility." We all know that the only certainty in life is Uncertainty (with a capital "U"--let's give Uncertainty its due respect). On this show it's our goal to befriend Uncertainty and treat it with a positive growth mindset. Uncertainty could mean disaster....it could also mean opportunity. We will hear from individuals from all walks of life to learn more about how they approach Uncertainty, as well as hearing them share personal experiences of what the process of Uncertainty was for them in the moment. Let's Press Play Together!
🎙️ 歡迎來到（Uncertain Pathfinders，簡稱 UP）Podcast
這是一個邀請聽眾 「邀請不確定」 與 「解鎖新可能」 的節目。
我們都知道，人生唯一的確定，就是「不確定」。（既然如此，就讓我們給這個大寫的「不確定」應有的尊重。）
在這個節目中，我們的目標是與「不確定」交朋友，並以正向成長的心態去面對它。
因為不確定，也許意味著危機……但同時，它也可能代表著機會。
在這裡，你將聽到來自各行各業的真實聲音，分享他們如何面對「不確定」，以及他們在當下經歷這段過程時的心路歷程。
🎧 讓我們一起 Press Play！
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Welcome to the Uncertain Pathfinders or UP podcast, the show where we invite listeners to "Invite Uncertainty" and "Unlock Possibility." We all know that the only certainty in life is Uncertainty (with a capital "U"--let's give Uncertainty its due respect). On this show it's our goal to befriend Uncertainty and treat it with a positive growth mindset. Uncertainty could mean disaster....it could also mean opportunity. We will hear from individuals from all walks of life to learn more about how they approach Uncertainty, as well as hearing them share personal experiences of what the process of Uncertainty was for them in the moment. Let's Press Play Together!
🎙️ 歡迎來到（Uncertain Pathfinders，簡稱 UP）Podcast
這是一個邀請聽眾 「邀請不確定」 與 「解鎖新可能」 的節目。
我們都知道，人生唯一的確定，就是「不確定」。（既然如此，就讓我們給這個大寫的「不確定」應有的尊重。）
在這個節目中，我們的目標是與「不確定」交朋友，並以正向成長的心態去面對它。
因為不確定，也許意味著危機……但同時，它也可能代表著機會。
在這裡，你將聽到來自各行各業的真實聲音，分享他們如何面對「不確定」，以及他們在當下經歷這段過程時的心路歷程。
🎧 讓我們一起 Press Play！
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***This episode is recorded mostly in Chinese. 這集是一中文為主。(English below👇）
歡迎收聽 Uncertain Pathfinders 不確定探路人 Podcast ——這是一個邀請來賓，也邀請你，一起擁抱不確定，解鎖人生可能性的節目。
本集節目由主持人 喬好學（Jeffrey Schwab） 與 王敏儒（Miranda Wang） 共同邀請到特別來賓——聊心茶室 Heal You 的創辦人暨執行長 張道芳（Jessie Chang）。
聊心茶室網站Heal You's website🔗
Jessie Chang's Linkedin🔗
🌐 聊心茶室 Heal You 成立於 2021 年，由四位科技人與一位諮商心理師共同創立，致力於解決台灣社會中「高壓生活」與「心理健康資源不足」之間的落差。許多人在壓力下逐漸累積焦慮，像一顆內部噪音不斷擴大的氣泡，直到崩潰邊緣才尋求幫助。
Heal You 希望透過科技，讓心理諮商打破物理距離、縮短心靈的差距，推動心理諮商普及與環境改善，讓尋求幫助變得更簡單、更可及。
💬 在本集節目中，Jessie 真誠分享她對於「不確定」的理解，以及她如何將自身走過憂鬱症的經驗，轉化為 Heal You 的核心使命與推動力。
邀請你一起收聽、反思與留言互動，
讓我們一起擁抱不確定，解鎖新可能。
歡迎聯繫 Uncertain Pathfinders，加入我們的錄音室，分享你對「不確定」的獨特觀點。
此外，也歡迎洽詢我們的專業服務，包括：
✨ 一對一或團體教練（Coaching）
🎭 應用即興工作坊（Applied Improv Workshops）
💬 非暴力溝通（NVC）引導與練習
讓我們一起在不確定中探索更多可能性！
Uncertain Pathfinders website🔗
🎙️ Uncertain Pathfinders Podcast – New Episode
Welcome to Uncertain Pathfinders (UP), the show that invites you to embrace Uncertainty and unlock possibility. In this episode, co-hosts Jeffrey Schwab and Miranda Wang sit down with Jessie Chang (張道芳) — CEO & Founder of Heal You (聊心茶室), Taiwan’s leading online therapy platform.
聊心茶室網站Heal You's website🔗
Jessie Chang's Linkedin🔗
Founded in 2021 by four tech enthusiasts and a licensed therapist, Heal You connects people with professional counseling at the click of a button, breaking physical distance and mental barriers alike. Jessie opens up about turning her own experience with depression into a mission: leveraging technology to lower the threshold for seeking help, elevate mental-health literacy, and bring peace of mind to anyone living under pressure.
Join us as Jessie shares her personal relationship with Uncertainty, the challenges of building a health-tech start-up, and the future of online counseling in Taiwan. Tune in, leave a comment, and discover how stepping into the unknown may be the first step toward healing.
Welcome to reach out to Uncertain Pathfinders and join us in the studio to introduce your own views on Uncertainty. In addition, please contact us for professional 1-1 or group coaching services, applied improv workshops, or Nonviolent Communication facilitation.
Uncertain Pathfinders website🔗
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