Former venture capitalist turned UAP analyst Jesse Michels provides a ground-level view of the disclosure landscape, detailing his private vetting of whistleblowers like David Grusch and Michael Herrera. In an extensive dialogue, he dissects Silicon Valley's investment apathy, the strategic use of disinformation by intelligence agencies, and the convergence of experimental physics, parapsychology, and artificial intelligence in the modern hunt for answers. Michels argues that progress hinges on a new framework that embraces both empirical rigor and the profound, often consciousness-altering, nature of the phenomenon.