Cade didn’t even realize he was doing the podcast—he just accepted the calendar invite. But somehow, this surprise guest turned into one of our favorite conversations.

We talk to Cade and Kevin about being total opposites (Type Z vs. Type A), growing up in Mississippi and Montreal, and how working together as a couple actually makes them stronger—just like us.

Kevin’s a hustler who started working in TV at 11, loves Brazil so much he’s learning Portuguese, and dreams big. Cade's a quiet soccer kid turned porn star, whose accidental coming out on MySpace led him from Mississippi to Hawaii to a cross-country Grindr trip… and eventually, to Kevin.

Also: Brazilian beauty standards, Celine Dion, billboards about hell, moving in fast, and why if you’re gonna do porn—be number one.