i talk to Katie of Pacing. we discuss ‘real poetry is always about plants and birds and trees…’, Real Emo, and annoying emails. we then answer questions about not burning out and not pushing people away. need advice? submit a question to be answered on a future episode at @emoadviceshow on Instagram or email twinkledads@gmail.com. let us help you help yourself. songs featured: Pacing - Bite Me Pacing - *****/Annoying Email (feat. Sun Kin) Career Woman - No Alibi (dormroom demo) Career Woman - No Alibi Carly Cosgrove - Really Big Shrimp thank you so much Katie for the conversation and the art you create. thank you, audience, for listening. talk to you next time! editing by rowan medlock, cover by zac voss