Abhay is joined in conversation with Rich Verma, the former US Ambassador to India, former deputy Secretary of State, and current Chief Administrative Officer at MasterCard. They explore Rich's journey from being a son of Indian immigrants to a prominent leader in both the public and private sectors. They chatted about leadership, the importance of listening and empathy, the complexities of US-India relations, and the evolving definition of American identity in the context of immigration. He even touched on music and his dad coming to America with a few dollars in your pocket. Rich emphasizes the need for continuous learning and the value of diverse perspectives for a strong United States in a global context.

(0:00 - 1:54) Introduction
(1:54) Part 1 - Music, navigating public/private sector transitions
(15:00) Part 2 - Leading upwards, new challenges for the Indian immigrant experience
(27:08) Part 3 - Indian American-ness, new challenges for the US-India relations, cultivating trust
(38:38) Conclusions

Shout out to everyone for a Happy Navratri and to Suman and Preethi at the Indo American Arts Council.