If you only listen to one podcast on international trade policy this year - make it this one.

Pru and Peter talk to Vangelis Vitalis, Deputy Secretary, Trade and Economic, of the New Zealand Ministry of Foreign Affairs and Trade and one of the most experienced and insightful trade diplomats around.

Vangelis explains progress on accessions to the Comprehensive and Progressive Agreement for Transpacific Partnership, and the important work reviewing and updating the CPTTP.

He then describes New Zealand's incredibly positive and proactive approach to the seismic shifts rocking the global economy and geopolitics.

As with rugby - Australia could learn a lesson or two here from our NZ cousins!