Martin Atkins is a drummer, producer, educator, author, and museum operator. He has worked with PIL, Ministry, NIN, Skinny Puppy, Killing Joke and was a founding member of Pigface alongside fellow drummer and multi-instrumentalist, Bill Rieflin.  He also works as a consultant, has written multiple books on the music industry, and is the music industry studies coordinator at Millikin University. Martin is the owner and operator of the Museum of Post Punk and Industrial Music. Joe jumps in with a burning question about Four Enclosed Walls by PIL and gets a more robust answer than he expected. The two discuss Martin’s extensive contribution to Post Punk and Industrial music and why he is driven to share his knowledge and experience. Martin shares his experience of joining Killing Joke, why he felt the record Extremities, Dirt and Various Repressed Emotions needed to be made and what has motivated him to perform the record live 35 years later. Joe and Martin delve into drum talk, share a few memories from their mutual friend, the late, great Bill Rieflin and Martin reveals a few surprises for the upcoming Killing Joke show celebrating Extremities, Dirt and Various Repressed Emotions. Martin Atkins Please visit and support ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Izotope⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ and ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Distrokid⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ for continued exclusive listener discounts. ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Izotope⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ is the leader in audio repair, mixing and mastering. Ruinous uses ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Izotope⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ and you should too. Trust us. The best way to get your music into the worlds ears is ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Distrokid⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠. Artist keep 100% of their royalties and their mobile app is smartly designed, easy to use and perfectly intuitive.