Is it possible to create spaces for secrecy, alterity and non-conformity in our surveillance cities through dance and ritual? Can purposely disorienting oneself in familiar places open new doors of perception to reality?

The Mystical Body: Jason Bahbak Mohaghegh in Conversation with Alkistis Dimech is the third episode of TM Live's Incantations podcast series. Founder of practitioner run press Scarlet Imprint and dancer of Japanese avant-garde form, Butoh, Alkistis Dimech, is in conversation with Iranian-American professor of philosophy and enchanting storyteller Jason Bahbak Mohaghegh. We discuss Butoh and mystical practices as ways of claiming spaces for spirituality that are being effaced from our cities of surveillance. We also talk about identity politics, the meaning of “living space” and the separation of mind and body.

Curated and hosted by Andrea Cetrulo

Intro music by William Messenger and Sophrosyne

Illustration by Sophie Rogers 

Design by Marcos Villalba