We are conditioned to see the concepts of both wisdom and 'not knowing' as diametrically opposed, as they are defined in the narrowest of terms.  In a spiritual sense (which may seem paradoxical, given that this is a podcast about Bad Religion), the two concepts fit perfectly. Anyone who listens to this podcast with some regularity has heard jamilah speak about Jay Bentley as being a major bass inspiration.  Much of her perspective has been primarily based on this; that said, the couple of times they've briefly met, there was no significant mention of the bass- so it's clear there was a more compelling person beyond the instrument.   The hunch was absolutely correct.  jamilah did have an opportunity to sit down with Jay (who is indeed, a compelling, kind and thoughtful person) to discuss some Bad Religion (obviously!!!!!!); even in discussing the band, there was an abundance of wisdom in allowing things to flow without knowing what is coming next, addressing learning from mistakes and finding purpose in the midst of more significant matters.  They also discussed the experience of reconnecting with music, the acceptance of not being the center of the world, accepting impermanence, lessons learned from martial arts, and setting realistic goals. Many, many thanks to Christina for being the connection to this connection.   Thank you for listening!   To visit Natalia Fabia's site, go to:  https://www.nataliafabia.com/ If you have any questions or comments (or further words of wisdom) for us, contact: thispodcaststrikesfirst@gmail.com