Welcome back to Season 2! In this episode of This Is How She Does It, host Angela Lee sits down with Leslie Forde, CEO and founder of Mom’s Hierarchy of Needs® and author of Repair with Self-Care. Leslie shares her vulnerable journey through burnout as a working mom in a leadership role, the challenges of returning to work after her second child, and the tough decisions she made to prioritize her health and family. Together, Angela and Leslie unpack the societal pressures mothers face, the hidden toll of the motherhood penalty, and the systemic changes workplaces must make to support caregivers. Leslie also offers a framework for sustainable self-care—one rooted in compassion, non-negotiables, and reclaiming worth outside of the “always-on” expectations placed on moms. Whether you’re a parent navigating career and family, a manager wanting to better support your team, or someone striving for healthier balance, this conversation blends real stories, actionable strategies, and powerful insights that prove: the system may be broken, but you are not. Key Takeaways: The four pillars every workplace must address to support caregivers Why compassionate management practices matter—and how to apply them Actionable language and solutions for moms facing burnout today How to reevaluate workload at home and at work while embracing support Why you are worthy—and how to commit to your self-care non-negotiables   Connect with Leslie Official Website: momshierarchyofneeds.com  Instagram: @moms_hierarchy_of_needs LinkedIn: @MomsHierarchyOfNeeds Contact Info: leslie@momshierarchyofneeds.com   Connect with Angela: I'd love to hear from you! Come find me on LinkedIn and drop me a message to let me know what other topics you'd like me to cover or share a recommendation for my next podcast guest!   Subscribe & Leave a Review! If you enjoyed this episode, please subscribe and write a review on Apple Podcasts, Spotify or your favorite podcast platform. Your feedback will help us reach more listeners and continue to bring you valuable content!