What do you do when the conversation is so difficult that words are not enough? You can turn away, you can harden up...or you can use the creative arts with kindness, compassion - and with food! You can communicate in ways that transcend spoken language and culture.

Mike talks to Roni Edwards of Pamodzi Creatives https://pamodzicreatives.com based in south England about her work with refugees, inspirational women and schools.

Find out how Brexit prompted Roni to do what she does best and learn the value of breathing for Year 6. And discover what 'Pamodzi' really means.