Judith and Chris discussed the issue of success and how we measure it.  We talked about the problems with the terms and approaches we use here and how we are often trapped by a framework of our own making. We talked about time and partnerships.  How long it takes to set them up; how long they take to actually take; how long we should stay in them before we consider them a success or a failure.  We also debated what success and failure actually look like in educational partnerships.   Somehow, we found ourselves possible defending the value of MoU’s and their collection – we tried to back away from this as quickly as we could but to no real avail.   Judith, as is her wont, brought the discussion back to rugby and reflected on what success means for different nations.   Chris, not to be outdone, turned to basketball and reflected on comments made by Giannis Antetokounmpo, a professional basketball player with the Milwaukee Bucks in America, about the nature of success and failure and how we need to recalibrate how we think about this.   While we did not resolve the issue, we did conclude that how we view and measure success is both a function of organisational culture and leadership.  How we approach the issue of TNE and international education - what we expect it to deliver - will dictate how we interpret its success.  Perhaps we need to change the input to better understand the output?   #success #internationalhighereducation #perception #MoUs #partnerships #perceptionoffailure #measurement #engagement #GiannisAntetokounmpo