In this episode of Therapy Was Full, Dustin Hayes is joined by co-host Sergio Gutierrez and guest Chris Park for a raw conversation about fatherhood, entrepreneurship, and leading by example in the middle of real-life chaos. Chris opens up about parenting after divorce, juggling business calls with school drop-offs, and trying to stay present while building a future. Sergio shares thoughts on legacy, art, and how not having kids gives him a unique perspective on the struggle. Together, they unpack what it means to be a “dirty hat dad” — someone who leads from the front, even when everything is falling apart behind them. From teaching kids about credit to questioning public school values, this one’s about fatherhood without the filters, business without the bulls***, and why failing in front of your kids might be the most powerful thing you can do.