During times of crisis, weary eyes look for guidance.

Is our eyesight just getting worse or has the nature of leadership really changed? Are we just crusty curmudgeons or are leaders not what they used to be? 

Gotta be both. So: what do we do in this vacuum of guidance — should we be speaking more, or shutting up?

This episode dedicated to our friend Dex Carvey, a creator of so much gone so much too soon. Some of Dex's fingerprints: this early stage comic-book series; opened for Dana Carvey's Netflix special (won't hear Dex, but he's entitled to 10% of all laughs); idea behind The Weird Place podcast, produced by Conan O'Brien.

Explore some of the music by Zusha.