Lizzie: Now we're standing inside underneath Meeting by James Turrell. I get asked all the time. Bobby: Is that really a hole in the wall? Lizzie: Is that a window? Bobby: Is there glass? Lizzie: Is that a door? Bobby: Is that a video? Lizzie: No. It is an actual hole in the ceiling that is open to the air, open to the elements. Bobby: Another question is what do you do when it rains. Of course we close it. Emmanuel: What's cool about it is that you get to see the sky for essentially what it is. You just see that pure color. Bobby: James Turrell played with line and perspective to fool your eye into making it look paper thin. The way that he did that was by shaving the plane of the ceiling to meet the edge of the hole. What he does, he frames the sky to make it look as if it's within reach, like this tranquility is in reach for you. Be happy. Who knows. Emmanuel: Something I often notice is that there's this crazy, intense silence that happens when I go in there with ... It doesn't matter how big the group is. Once we hit Turrell, I've always noticed that people will just, like somebody hit the mute button or something. It's always interesting because it's like, now hearing that sort of sound I guess, or lack of, it really shows this strange power that Meeting has. It demands your focus.