Dan Ovryn is a custom furniture maker and the owner of Rust & Root Furniture on Oahu. He joins Will to talk about why he hates traveling, his travels to Arkansas, New York, Vermont, and Japan, how travel cuts through government propaganda, Mongolia building a Mars simulation site for tourists, and more! Follow him on Instagram @rustandrootfurniture.

Recording location: Honolulu, Hawaii

"Whole Wide World" Soundtrack by Boy Pierce (@boypiercemusic)