In this conversation, Kim and Ann explore the dynamics of productivity and inactivity, emphasising the importance of recognising and valuing different states of being. They discuss how societal coding often equates productivity with worth, leading to feelings of inadequacy during inactive periods. The dialogue highlights the significance of energy dynamics in partnerships, the redefinition of productivity and excellence, and the necessity of embracing all emotional states to foster a supportive and effective team environment. Ultimately, they advocate for a wider window of tolerance that allows for individual and collective growth.