Struggling to get employees to actually apply skills learned in training? You’re not alone. So how can learning leaders finally start changing behaviours for good? 

In this episode, learning royalty, Julie Dirksen - author, international speaker and facilitator for organisations like the Association for Talent Development and the Learning Guild -explores just this. Sharing insights from her new book, ‘Talk to the Elephant: Design Learning for Behaviour Change,’ Julie eloquently breaks down the metaphor of the "Rider and the Elephant," discussing how our logical and emotional selves are often at odds in decision making. Julie relates this metaphor to human motivations and the barriers to meaningful behaviour change, capturing how our logical and emotional selves are often misaligned - with training only speaking to the logical side. Talking to the elephant, it turns out, may just be the way to bridge that knowledge-doing gap. 

The conversation overflows with Julie's wit, wisdom, and empathy, as she explores behavior change models, precisely defining actions, and predicting persisting needs for human-centric learning design amidst our tech evolution.