How do you scale a team without scaling headcount? And why are some companies still slow to adopt AI despite clear advantages?

In this episode, Vivun CEO Matt Darrow sits down with CMO and fellow podcast host Jarod Greene to discuss how marketing and sales teams can operate at a higher level using AI without losing the human element.

They share how a five-person marketing team can outperform teams four times its size, what gets in the way of broader AI adoption, and why the best enablement isn’t more training, but less friction. 

Human connection still closes deals. But the teams who move fastest with precision are the ones using AI to handle everything else.

In this episode, you’ll learn:

1. How AI helps lean teams scale up – Jarod breaks down the AI tools and workflows that power speed without sacrificing quality.
2. Why enablement needs a reset – It’s not about more content. You have to clear the clutter so reps can actually sell.
3. What’s slowing AI adoption – The blockers CMOs face and how teams are finding quick wins without waiting on perfect conditions.

Things to listen for: 

(00:00) Introduction

(02:14) Scaling faster without losing quality

(03:23) Breaking through the cold start problem

(05:00) Why some CMOs still stall on AI

(08:26) Rethinking SDRs with fewer tools, more output

(13:54) Enablement fails when content becomes noise

(19:13) Cutting through buyer fatigue with real value

(22:13) AI avatars can’t replace real relationships