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The Unexpected Lever
Vivun
47 episodes
1 week ago
The secret sauce to your sales success? It’s what happens before the sale. It’s the planning, the strategy, the leadership. And it’s more than demo automation. It’s the thoughtful work that connects people, processes, and performance. If you want strong revenue, high retention, and shorter sales cycles, the pre-work—centered around the human—still makes the dream work. But you already know that. The Unexpected Lever is your partner in growing revenue by doing what great sales leaders do best. Combining vision with execution. Brought to you by Vivun, this show highlights the people and peers behind the brands who understand what it takes to build and lead high-performing sales teams. You’re not just preparing for the sale—you’re unlocking potential. Join us as we share stories of sales leaders who make a difference, their challenges, their wins, and the human connections that drive results, one solution at a time.
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The secret sauce to your sales success? It’s what happens before the sale. It’s the planning, the strategy, the leadership. And it’s more than demo automation. It’s the thoughtful work that connects people, processes, and performance. If you want strong revenue, high retention, and shorter sales cycles, the pre-work—centered around the human—still makes the dream work. But you already know that. The Unexpected Lever is your partner in growing revenue by doing what great sales leaders do best. Combining vision with execution. Brought to you by Vivun, this show highlights the people and peers behind the brands who understand what it takes to build and lead high-performing sales teams. You’re not just preparing for the sale—you’re unlocking potential. Join us as we share stories of sales leaders who make a difference, their challenges, their wins, and the human connections that drive results, one solution at a time.
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Marketing
Business
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Software Is a Commodity with Margaret Kelsey, Kodaris
The Unexpected Lever
8 minutes
7 months ago
Software Is a Commodity with Margaret Kelsey, Kodaris

Is brand the last real differentiator?

In this episode of V5, Jarod Greene talks with Margaret Kelsey, CMO of Kodaris, about the shifting landscape of B2B marketing.


Margaret argues that software has become a commodity—AI has made it easier than ever to build and replicate products. Yet many companies still rely on outdated go-to-market strategies instead of investing in brand and creative distribution. She explains why personal brands, employee advocacy, and strong cultural alignment are the key to standing out in a crowded market.

In this episode, you’ll learn:

  1. Why traditional GTM playbooks don’t work – Relying on paid demand gen and performance marketing is no longer enough to win.
  2. How brand has become the ultimate moat – When technology and distribution look the same, differentiation comes from the values and authenticity behind a company.
  3. The power of advocacy at every level – From founders to employees, building trust through personal branding and cultural alignment drives long-term growth.

Things to listen for: 

(00:00) Introduction

(00:52) Software is now a commodity

(02:00) The outdated GTM playbook

(02:37) Why brand is the last competitive moat

(03:17) Leveraging podcasts for brand-building

(04:16) Personal brands and internal advocacy

(05:03) Hiring for cultural and brand alignment

(06:07) The flywheel that drives real growth


The Unexpected Lever
The secret sauce to your sales success? It’s what happens before the sale. It’s the planning, the strategy, the leadership. And it’s more than demo automation. It’s the thoughtful work that connects people, processes, and performance. If you want strong revenue, high retention, and shorter sales cycles, the pre-work—centered around the human—still makes the dream work. But you already know that. The Unexpected Lever is your partner in growing revenue by doing what great sales leaders do best. Combining vision with execution. Brought to you by Vivun, this show highlights the people and peers behind the brands who understand what it takes to build and lead high-performing sales teams. You’re not just preparing for the sale—you’re unlocking potential. Join us as we share stories of sales leaders who make a difference, their challenges, their wins, and the human connections that drive results, one solution at a time.