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The Underground
The Underground Pod
73 episodes
6 days ago
Exploring the future of garden care. The underground podcast is a place where the disparate worlds of horticulture and marketing collide. Kate Turner, the Gardener Guru and Phil Wright, co-founder of creative agency WrightObara, team up to discover the trailblazers and innovators shaping the future of garden care in the UK. With content that’s as relevant to start-ups as it would be to established players, we look to cover the hottest topics and trends you need to know. From plants to products, environmental concerns to legislation, we’ll dig deep to bring you the inside story.
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Exploring the future of garden care. The underground podcast is a place where the disparate worlds of horticulture and marketing collide. Kate Turner, the Gardener Guru and Phil Wright, co-founder of creative agency WrightObara, team up to discover the trailblazers and innovators shaping the future of garden care in the UK. With content that’s as relevant to start-ups as it would be to established players, we look to cover the hottest topics and trends you need to know. From plants to products, environmental concerns to legislation, we’ll dig deep to bring you the inside story.
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Home & Garden
Leisure
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Glee 2025: Live Q&A with Blue Diamond’s Alan Roper
The Underground
41 minutes
6 days ago
Glee 2025: Live Q&A with Blue Diamond’s Alan Roper

In this live Glee Q&A, Phil sits down with Alan Roper, Managing Director of Blue Diamond Garden Centres, for a frank look at what really drives performance in modern garden retail: culture, commercial discipline, and relentless differentiation.

Roper explains why scale only works when the “engine room” is tuned for profit and cash, not vanity growth; why benchmarking and ownership culture beat top-down control; how demographic waves continue to pull new gardeners into the category; and where the next profit centres are likely to emerge. He also gives a straight-talking view on British supply, sustainability trade-offs, and the role of social media creativity in sparking demand.

  • Culture + cash over vanity metrics: Growth that sticks comes from building a tight culture, clear customer relationships and rigorous profit control “every step of the way” – using cash generated, not over-leveraging on debt. 

  • Retail basics that still win: “Right product, right place, right time, right commitment” remains the core operating system for stores and teams. 

  • Demographics & demand: Younger audiences typically reconnect with gardening as life stages shift, with houseplants and community programmes (e.g., Acorn Gardening Club) acting as effective on-ramps. 

  • Ownership culture & benchmarking: Centres see each other’s figures, act on conversion insights (back the winning genuses), and keep local DNA intact while improving performance. 

  • Innovation = new profit centres: Seek true novelty (from rechargeable outdoor lighting to pergolas) to unlock "new money". 

  • Back British where it adds difference: Smaller UK suppliers can deliver point-of-difference ranges and resilience. 

Who should listen? Garden centre leaders, brand and category managers, and suppliers looking to understand how the UK’s leading group is thinking about growth, assortment, and customer connection in 2025.

The Underground
Exploring the future of garden care. The underground podcast is a place where the disparate worlds of horticulture and marketing collide. Kate Turner, the Gardener Guru and Phil Wright, co-founder of creative agency WrightObara, team up to discover the trailblazers and innovators shaping the future of garden care in the UK. With content that’s as relevant to start-ups as it would be to established players, we look to cover the hottest topics and trends you need to know. From plants to products, environmental concerns to legislation, we’ll dig deep to bring you the inside story.