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Becca and Jon share their experiences in ultra running, cave exploration, and the challenges of endurance sports. Becca discusses her cave project, the importance of community support during races, and the risks involved in endurance activities. The conversation also touches on the frustrations of flying, reflections on adversity in daily life, and the inspiring story of Rob Apple, a seasoned ultra runner known for his humility and gratitude. The episode emphasizes the lessons learned through endurance and the value of perseverance in the face of challenges.