Rice & Peas and Fish & Chips   I was recently joined by Pauline Campbell, a pioneering black British lawyer and published author, for my latest episode of the U-Triumph Podcast series.   During our conversation, Pauline shared her extraordinary journey of climbing the ladder. Set amidst the backdrop of 1960s London, rife with racism and discrimination, Pauline's story emerges as a testament to resilience, determination, and unwavering advocacy.   From her formative years battling low expectations in school, to embarking on a late pursuit of a law degree while balancing a full-time job: Pauline's path to success was strewn with obstacles.    Yet, she triumphed, crafting an award-winning career and becoming a beacon of hope for marginalised communities, notably the Windrush generation.   She is an extraordinary example of being the ladder, from her pivotal role as chair of her organisation's race equality network to her relentless advocacy for Windrush victims.   During our conversation we also dove into the persistent challenges of racism, sexism, and social mobility plaguing the legal profession, underscoring the imperative for systemic change.   I hope you enjoy listening to this conversation with Pauline, as much as I enjoyed speaking with her.